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Abb0nz F1 Test Driver

Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 609 Location: Houston, Tx
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 18:17 Post subject: |
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| bawjohnson wrote: | | Thoroughly deserved, he's making Lewis look a bit silly at the moment... |
Not sure if I'd go that far, after all if it wasn't for the puncture Lewis would have done a lot better.
But I agree, Button certainly wasn't the second driver that most people thought he was going to be. _________________ A Kiwi living in the USA |
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bawjohnson F3 Racer

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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 19:20 Post subject: |
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I think mentally Jenson has destroyed Lewis this year - Lewis has never had a teammate that has so comprehensively had the measure of him with the teams blessing..
The Alonso situation was mismanaged badly, and was skewed by the fact that no-one thought that Hamilton would be so good, certainly not Fernando, the Button situation is more akin to a trojan horse - I think Lewis thought he would be a safe number 2 to him, however the results speak for themselves, and the renewed contract and whitmarsh love in I think are making him realise that it's not team Hamilton anymore.. |
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Ash F3 Racer
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 19:33 Post subject: |
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| He's in superb form. I'm really pleased for him, recalling the abuse he used to get in his barren years. |
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mclarenf1 F3 Racer

Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 201 Location: USA
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Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 21:19 Post subject: |
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| bawjohnson wrote: | | .... and whitmarsh love in I think are making him realise that it's not team Hamilton anymore.. |
Yeah, although I kinda miss Ron Dennis be at the helm of the team, i believe Whitmarsh does a better job managing drivers. Martin even acknowledge he would have dealt with Alonso in a different way implying a happier outcome.
It look like Mclaren is loving that the team doesn't have to be team Hamilton any more. |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:10 Post subject: |
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Frankly it's brilliant for McLaren that they don't have to worry about having a half decent driver to take it to RBR and Ferrari.
Think how much that must ease their minds. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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Gary F1 Driver

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 13:53 Post subject: |
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It is pleasing to see that Jenson is making more than a decent fist of it at Woking and it's, ah, interesting to reflect on the confidence with which many people, on this forum and elsewhere, predicted with confidence, and in some cases with unalloyed relish, that Jenson had bought himself an insuperable problem when he signed to drive opposite Lewis Hamilton.
I recall that towards the end of 2009, his then boss Ross Brawn was comparing his approach, in terms of work rate between Grands Prix, his approach to a race weekend and, finally, the race itself, with Michael Schumacher. Ross was careful to choose his words, as ever, but he did concede in Jenson a raw ability to win more than one World Championship.
On top of all that, he appears to be a nice fellow, at peace with himself. |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 14:45 Post subject: |
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| Gary wrote: | It is pleasing to see that Jenson is making more than a decent fist of it at Woking and it's, ah, interesting to reflect on the confidence with which many people, on this forum and elsewhere, predicted with confidence, and in some cases with unalloyed relish, that Jenson had bought himself an insuperable problem when he signed to drive opposite Lewis Hamilton.
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NOBODY predicted he'd beat him so much in 2011 though. Hell, I thought he'd do well on the basis of the tyre situation but even my optimism didn't stretch this far! _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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xynaria World Champion
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 16:29 Post subject: |
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| bewildered_jim wrote: |
NOBODY predicted he'd beat him so much in 2011 though. Hell, I thought he'd do well on the basis of the tyre situation but even my optimism didn't stretch this far! |
It really isn't that huge an amount yet.......it's 32 points....something that could yet be turned around if Lewis can calm his magnetic abilities. _________________ it'll all end in tears..........cool!  |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 16:39 Post subject: |
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Button has scored more points in the last 5 races, and had to contend with two retirements which weren't his fault. Still, I accept your point.
Taking Hamilton out of the equation, Button is still driving brilliantly this year. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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Abb0nz F1 Test Driver

Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 609 Location: Houston, Tx
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 16:44 Post subject: |
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True, 32 points isn't a lot, but who here would have said that with 4 races to go JB would lead LH by 32 points? Certainly not me.
Good on Jenson for proving us all wrong. _________________ A Kiwi living in the USA |
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xynaria World Champion
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 01:50 Post subject: |
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| Abb0nz wrote: | True, 32 points isn't a lot, but who here would have said that with 4 races to go JB would lead LH by 32 points? Certainly not me.
Good on Jenson for proving us all wrong. |
Oddly enough it doesn't surprise me. Even without Lewis's lack of form, had Button not had 2 DNF's through no fault of his own, if Hamilton had been on form, they would either have been close or Button would still be ahead only he'd be more comfortably ahead of anyone bar Vettel. _________________ it'll all end in tears..........cool!  |
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Gary F1 Driver

Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 930 Location: Australia
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 05:33 Post subject: |
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| Forget where I read or heard it but someone recently said that JB is sitting IN the McLaren MP4-26 whereas he sat ON the McLaren MP4-25. Okay, some poetic licence there but there seems little doubt that the input he has had into this year's car and the large number of hours he puts into simulator time are big components of his more effective performance level this year. |
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MatCoch Single-Seater Rookie
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 06:54 Post subject: |
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Jenson has had the upperhand, but the points system exaggerates the positions somewhat.
Lewis and Jenson have retired from two Grands Prix each. Of the 13 the pair have finished on average Jenson outscores Lewis by 3 points. Given the current points system realistically that's one spot (ie second to third or third to fourth).
For all the uproar Lewis still isn't far away. |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 14:15 Post subject: |
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To clarify, the point I was making was not that Hamilton is suddenly useless - rather that Button has upped his game entirely regardless of Lewis' points total. As evidenced by his first dry weather Mclaren victory. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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crunchyfrog555 Kart Champion

Joined: 17 May 2010 Posts: 89 Location: Spalding, Lincs, England
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Posted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 01:53 Post subject: |
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Far be it for me to say I told you ... ah, bugger it - "I told you so"
http://www.pitpass.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7967&highlight=button+mclaren
I always had a feeling that Button going to McLaren would be a delight, in watching two very different approaches with such close results in general.
Glad to say I got it right (for once). |
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