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D-Type World Champion
Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 2551 Location: Coulsdon, UK
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 14:09 Post subject: |
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| In Memoriam wrote: | | Brutus wrote: | | The truth is that Brawn ordered lapdog to take the Great out of the race and FIA to punish him if lapdog was not successful. |
You. Are. A. Madman. Pure and simple.
On topic, any driver who died while racing, is the most unlucky. |
Point 1 - I agree
Point 2 - I disagree. In an earlier post I said | Quote: | I cannot accept that every driver who has ever been killed in a crash was unlucky. Some were: when there was a mechanical failure, when the accident was caused by someone else’s action, when a freak combination of circumstance turned a relatively minor accident into a fatal one, and finally when there was incompetence on the part of marshals or medical staff. But the driver himself often caused a fatal accident by overdoing it.
| The key word is 'every' or 'any driver' which means the same thing. _________________ The more you learn, the more you realise how little you know. |
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Sam World Champion

Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 4292 Location: London, England
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 17:31 Post subject: |
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When I think of unlucky drivers, I always think of Jonny Herbert. He always seemed to be chatting to Louise Goodman after retiring. And then he crashed and got injured in his last race. Still, I guess he is not quite so unlucky at Le Mans. _________________ Sam |
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Sean Brian Kirby World Champion

Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 5652 Location: Reisterstown, MD
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Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 19:43 Post subject: |
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Yeah, when someone says "unlucky" and "driver," I also think Herbert. Maybe not the most unlucky ever... but then, if you opened the dictionary to the word and found his picture, you wouldn't be too, too shocked.
While death is pretty much the ultimate misfortune, I do have to agree that this is sometimes a case where it is true, we make our own luck, and then again, a racing death can be pure bad luck. Richard Seaman, just after his death and before he slipped into the hereafter stated flatly that he was going to fast, trying to show himself to be every bit the Regenmeister his teammate Rudi Caracciola was. Not bad luck so much as bad judgement (from a very great driver) and driver-error. Tom Pryce was killed by a flying fire extinguisher, in an instance of terrible bad luck. |
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francisn Moderator

Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 4584 Location: Closer to Woking than Maranello - unfortunately
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 02:06 Post subject: |
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| Sean Brian Kirby wrote: | Yeah, when someone says "unlucky" and "driver," I also think Herbert. Maybe not the most unlucky ever... but then, if you opened the dictionary to the word and found his picture, you wouldn't be too, too shocked.
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Sean - I'm shocked!! Our Johnny. Lovely lad. What is so wrong with the way he looks. The archetypal chirpy chappy.
But yes - he did'lt have a lot of luck. Breaking his legs just after being given an F1 drive and before even getting in the car counts as one |
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Sean Brian Kirby World Champion

Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 5652 Location: Reisterstown, MD
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 19:57 Post subject: |
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What, that expression does not translate across the ocean?
If someone's "picture is in the dictionary" in relation to a particular word, they define that word, and vice-versa. Johnny Herbert had soem terrible F1 luck. But he was fortunate in that misfortune did not block him from a few grand prix wins. Some unlucky drivers didn't even get that much. _________________ Hear Truth. See Truth. Speak Truth. |
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Sam World Champion

Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 4292 Location: London, England
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Posted: Fri Feb 04, 2005 23:28 Post subject: |
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Bet lots of drivers that never achieved what they thought they would feel pretty unlucky. Martin Brundle, for instance. Broke both his legs and got beaten by Michael to that win in Belgium. Bet he thought it should have been his!  _________________ Sam |
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classicsincamera Karter
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 45 Location: nr Nurburgring / Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 04:27 Post subject: |
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| chrisledger wrote: | | The ones who got killed. |
I agree...the ones who got killed
the ones who didn't got enough petrol to cross the line in the final lap - that must be a real f***ng moment  _________________ Helmut S. - Classics in Camera
images of Historic Automobiles & MotorSport |
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Cmoney Single-Seater Rookie

Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 142 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 23:48 Post subject: |
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It surprises me, how many mentions Alesi to be the unluckiest driver. After all, he reached a decent pinnacle of his career with an F1 GP win. He would had needed clearly the best car in the field to win a championship because the gap between good and a bad day was too big. I think. And he was also allowed to drive a competitive cars a lot during his career. Though they were not entirely the best in the field, but very good ones still.
After all, I do not think, Alesi never quite was a worth of the championship though he was quite good. |
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swaction F1 Test Driver

Joined: 14 Jun 2004 Posts: 623 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 08:14 Post subject: |
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| Rob wrote: | | Chris Amon gets my vote also. |
I head a story of Chris leading with only a couple laps to go... (maybe Monza?) and he goes for a tear off and the whole visor rips off!!!
Talk about unlucky!  |
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gsmanzi World Champion

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 2656 Location: Home again -after fishing!-
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Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 17:02 Post subject: |
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classicsincamera wrote:
| Quote: | | the ones who didn't got enough petrol to cross the line in the final lap - that must be a real f***ng moment |
Ahemmm... as Carlos Reutemann at Buenos Aires GP 1974....and never could won his home GP. But He wasn't the unluckiest driver ever...also wasn't very lucky. |
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