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Pump Daddy J
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 Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 07:14 Post subject: Is Jacques V the Greatest Hack of All Time? |
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What do you reckon Tiggers, this one ought to wind the JV freaks up a treat!
And is'nt Jenson driving well, for a bloke who was tipped by Canada's answer to Schumacher as being beneath par!
SERIOUSLY, with Alonso and Button, what IS there to miss? 
But that's only my opinion, Roy!
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HoosierDaddy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 07:23 Post subject: |
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Well, as long as you acknowledge he is the "greatest"... 
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nojvnof1
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 07:40 Post subject: Re: Is Jacques V the Greatest Hack of All Time? |
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| Pump Daddy J wrote: | What do you reckon Tiggers, this one ought to wind the JV freaks up a treat!
And is'nt Jenson driving well, for a bloke who was tipped by Canada's answer to Schumacher as being beneath par!
SERIOUSLY, with Alonso and Button, what IS there to miss?
But that's only my opinion, Roy!
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you'll see what we've all been missing when JV returns next year As for Button, he made a bad call there, but at the time, he had done bugger all. It must be stated, that JV has in his interviews praised JB's performance last year and said he matured a lot and drove very well. He failed to mention JB was helped dramatically by qualifying on less fuel than JV and had did manage to finish nearly all the races, whilst JV only finished 5, but hey, facts don't matter as long as we can all throw sh!t on Jacques, yeah.
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Pump Daddy J
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 07:44 Post subject: Is jacques v |
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Yes H-Daddy, he IS a tremendous Hack. And so full of that sporting passion that his father displayed. He'd never let money get in the way of a competive drive! And sportsmanship, and team spirit. Why the young lad just over flows with respect for his team and teammates! And he's not one of the fools who'd waste his time tying to out psyche his teammates either, instead of being like his father and simply blowing them into the weeds! And pitstop protocol, he'd never ruin a teammates race for spite, or to "prove" he was number one, even when the stop watch indicated that he was'nt. No, he is greatly missed.
Just ask Dave R, I'm sure he'd agree. |
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xynaria
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I have never and probably will never understand JV's silliness over JB. In his final year at Renault.. he was 7th...i.e best of the rest after the 'big three' which is arguably about as high as he was likely to get in that car so to say he had done nothing is rather a case of colouring the truth. It's also doubly confounding in that prior reports before Button signing for BAR indicated that Villeneuve actually recommended him to Richards as being the one to go for.
I lost most of the respect I had for Villeneuve whan he came out with his diatribe and it's a shame because in spite of that I'd much rather see JV in F1 than a lot of the current line up and it would be great to see him prove himself again. |
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Brutus
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| For once, I don' think JV would have had so much trouble to deal with Trulli like Button did in Malaysia. At the end the only reason he finished ahead of Trulli is the big difference in power between thir cars. Trulli beat him with an inferior car. |
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lyonsajh
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 16:21 Post subject: |
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hi
gd point brutus
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Alex - im not bitter that JV is not racing this year, but all the other driver are crap!!!!!!! lol |
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White Lightning
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 16:37 Post subject: Re: Is Jacques V the Greatest Hack of All Time? |
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[quote="nojvnof1"] | Pump Daddy J wrote: | | you'll see what we've all been missing when JV returns next year |
Yeah, we'll miss a good laugh this year.
Seriously though, JV took a HUGE chance leaving Williams to form BAR, Schumi's gamble paid off, Jacques', unfortunately, didn't. We can't condemn him for taking a chance, that would be as silly as saying we're better than our team-mate, when he's just knocked the stuffing out of you |
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JJ Ligier
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Okay, because I'm a canuck I admit I cheer for JV, kinda have to, sort of goes in line with Brits' cheering for Damon Hill, ya just have to because he's a fellow countryman. I lost some respect when JV slagged Button they way he did, and yes, that came back to haunt Jacque and Jacque paid the price.
But in retrospect, it was Jacque's mouth that got him in more trouble than anything else, not his driving ability. I'm not sure I would classify a driver who proceeded on his very first F1 drive to put himself on pole position, ahead of his team mate, a seasoned F1 pilot -- who was his team mate again, ohya, that aforementioned highly touted Brit -- as a hack.
Anyway, it seems, that more people are getting more mileage out of flogging JV now that he's gone. Let a dead horse lie, get over it, he's not competing, he's gone. More energy is spent diss'ing him rather than acknowledging his extraordinary accomplishments in such a short period. Man, ya want to start slagging drivers, I can spew out a few hackish European x-pilots who never reached the plateau JV did (as well as a particular 'Merican wanna be F1 driver, ...OoOooo that Michael Andretti sure left a lasting impression), and yet they never received this kind of press.
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royshroud
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Cheers to JJ Ligier 
IMHO
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Armco
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 20:31 Post subject: |
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JV was pretty much at rock bottom when he left BAR, the guy was worn out by the politics of the sport and I guess it may just have dawned on him that maybe BAR was a terrible waste of career? OK so he took a side swipe at Button..who wouldn't? Even after Sundays result I still don't rate him as anything other than average. Take a look at the turkey in the other car, plus he's riding on the crest of a wave right now with David Richards right behind him.
Whatever, JV's a character, a real bona-fide racing driver and F1 doesn't have many of those. Quite where he'll end up is another matter. Give me drivers like him over the reject boy-band material anyday. Let's not forget JV's an F1 and an Indy champion. Button has finally managed to come 3rd after endless years of trying. Big fuss about nothing.  |
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HoosierDaddy
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 21:33 Post subject: |
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| Armco wrote: | | Whatever, JV's a character, a real bona-fide racing driver and F1 doesn't have many of those. Quite where he'll end up is another matter. Give me drivers like him over the reject boy-band material anyday. Let's not forget JV's an F1 and an Indy champion. Button has finally managed to come 3rd after endless years of trying. Big fuss about nothing. |
One thing that hurts some JV fans (and JV himself) is how they have to put down other people to make JV seem better.
Who knows if Button will be a better driver than JV? So far all anyone has is apples and oranges to compare. And if Button does turn out to be better than JV, that is no more a smudge on JV than Senna, MS, Prost, Mansell, or any number of other racers past, present and future who were, are or will be better.
JV is a great driver, but you imply that Button has done less with the same experience and opportunities, which is totally false. Yes JV won at Williams but it was the dominant car at the time. He came second to Hill his first year in F1 but that was after years in other tough series to prep him and many drivers could come second in that year's Williams.
It would be easy to make an argument (I'm not making it though but rather playing Devil's advocate) that JB has done better given his experience and equipment.
You and I might not like all the inexperienced drivers getting into F1 these days (including Button when he started) but you can't blame the drivers for that. You can be sure that if JV's only chance to get into F1 came when he was 18 or 19, he would have taken it and he would have looked just as unpolished as the current group.
JV is a great driver, I think it cheapens his reputation when people go on about how he is better than people earlier in their careers.
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The Figurehead
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 22:06 Post subject: |
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Let's see how the guy who replaced JV will help the team move forward... (finish in top 4)
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HoosierDaddy
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| The Figurehead wrote: | | Let's see how the guy who replaced JV will help the team move forward... (finish in top 4) |
Okay. You might want to clarify what you mean. Many people see JB as replacing JV and Sato replacing Button.
Of course track results won't "prove" anything either way because the extra millions made availalable for the car by sacking JV will make more difference in BAR's results than the driver changes plus those gains carry into the future better than drivers who may come and go. In other words, if you can make the car a top 3 by sacking JV you can always replace a Sato next year if he is an embarasment to the team and/or Honda.
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Pete1025
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| Not wishing to upset anyone, but this probably will, cant see JV in F1 next year, unless he is driving safety car, As has been mentioned if he wanted to win & was not only interested in the money BAR could have done better over the last couple of years |
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