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Paul Thurston
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| Rob wrote: | Ferrari have another advantage, a passion for cars and racing.
This is not the same as a lust for money and power. |
They all have that. Well, maybe apart from Ron Dennis these days.
Paul
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Paul Thurston
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| Sean Brian Kirby wrote: | | Yeah - watch out for Button. Seriously. If you think he's good - he's even better than that. Good enough, I think, to be perhaps Alonso's key challenger, down the road... |
I've followed Button since Formula Ford. He had serious potential then and he's learned a great deal since.
One story I like is from Spa 2000. First time out in practice the Williams mechanics saw him go too deep into La Source hairpin. He just caught it and got round. They were surprised to see him do exactly the same thing next lap as he didn;t usually make the same mistake twice. After that he didn't do it again.
When he came in they asked him what had happened. He answered that he knew he needed to brake at the 100m marker but first time round he went too deep so assumed he'd simply missed the braking point. Second time round he braked at the marker and it happened again. He knew he'd not missed his braking that time so the marker had to be in the wrong place.
The Williams mechanics laughed at the new boy's impertinence and jokingly sent an email to Charlie Whiting saying their driver said his marker was incorrectly positioned. Whiting's reply was that he was absolutely correct. Noone else had noticed.
There's a lot to Jenson Button. He has a beautifully smooth style, quick style, he's race smart, he doesn't make many driving errors and he has the ability to get past people. He's also patient which is often misinterpreted as a lack of passion. He doesn't battle people when there's no point. His style's unspectacular so people like Alonso and kimi get more noticed.
The team managers notice though and the difference between a good driver and a great one is the ability to be noticed by the best teams. Dave Richards got a bargain. If BAR continue to improve then a BAR/Button championship challenge is not impossible in the next few years. Who thought we'd be saying that when he left Renault?
This is drifting off topic.
Paul
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Sean Brian Kirby
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Location: Reisterstown, MD
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| Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2004 23:43 Post subject: |
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That's a Button story I remember, too. He insisted the marker was in the wrong spot.
Well, Button's either going to to go home to Williams, next year - or Mr. Richards and a car that grows ever-faster will convince him to stay. Who knows? Maybe this kid is another Schumey-style team builder. Every car he has ever touched improved. And he's just a kid, yet.
Yeah, he's really smooth, too. So's Fernando... who is spectacular in that he is just so bloody quick. Even in the Minardis he was quick. Just sick amounts of talent...
Kimi has real pace, and flare, but he will never be a Champion. Too much of a - |
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BMG_Cya
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Joined: 05 Mar 2004
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Location: USA
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I believe the author of this "thread" can now be colored...Owned.
Canadian and a JV fan...so no surprise there.
Toyota have a bigger budget than anyone, their sponsor is
Panasonic, which is part of Matshusita...the largest consumer
electronics manufacturer in the world.
Yet...Toyota kind of...suck.
Ferrari are where they are at today because of passion for motor-racing.
They "sell cars so we can go racing".
This is obviously a crime to anyone from Britian or Canada...or a fan
some of some has been abberant loser. (Can you say Jacque-ain't $h1t)
Losers hate winners...so it's just a natural, although tiresome and
repetitive reaction.
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Gambit
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Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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Location: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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I seemed to have spawned very personal sentiments from others. Though I am Canadian, I am by no means 'colored, owned.' And I'm not very fond of JV. Though he was interesting in the world of a very sterile F1, I didn't quite like his greed, and that doesn't help stir patriotism.
As for the issue of Toyota, They have a big budget yes. But they lack orginization and expirience and they don't seem to have an air of comfort in their garage.
As for Ferrari being there today for passion of motor raceing. That might have been true 10-15 years ago. But I'm not so sure today, Does Austria 2002 ring a bell? Enzo Ferrari is dead. The passion for raceing died with him.
And Losers don't hate winners. That's an unfair stereotype. Losers hate haveing wins handed over on a silver platter. An earned victory is praised by fellow competitors and fans alike. Is it such a crime to disagree? Do you hate the fact that no everyone likes Ferrari so much that you must breand me so negatively?
I love Formula 1. From Ferrari to Minardi, I love the sport. But the sport is gone. Victory is meaningless if there is no competition, if nothing stands in your way.
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nojvnof1
F1 Test Driver
Joined: 04 Mar 2004
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Location: Melbourne, Australia
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| BMG_Cya wrote: | I believe the author of this "thread" can now be colored...Owned.
Canadian and a JV fan...so no surprise there.
Toyota have a bigger budget than anyone, their sponsor is
Panasonic, which is part of Matshusita...the largest consumer
electronics manufacturer in the world.
Yet...Toyota kind of...suck.
Ferrari are where they are at today because of passion for motor-racing.
They "sell cars so we can go racing".
This is obviously a crime to anyone from Britian or Canada...or a fan
some of some has been abberant loser. (Can you say Jacque-ain't $h1t)
Losers hate winners...so it's just a natural, although tiresome and
repetitive reaction. |
yeah I can say it, Jacques ain't $hit. Anything else?? 
shaun
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