Ascari-Fangio-Moss

Cmoney · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 02:39 Post subject: Ascari-Fangio-Moss

I would like to start discussion about the 50´s best drivers. Myself, I don´t have so much of opinion about these drivers, and would like to hear yours... but I think, Ascari and Fangio must have been very close to each other´s driving skills, and Moss was a little behind them.

D-Type · Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 21:59 Post subject:

If you read any driver's autobiography of the period, they all condidered that Fangio was the best. If you read any contemporary motor racing writer, they also consider Fangio the best. So, I feel there really is nothing to dicuss. Fangio stood head and shoulders above the others in that era.

As to who comes second to Fangio?

First we have the world champions: Farina, Ascari, Hawthorn, and Brabham. Then we have those they beat: Gonzalez, Moss, Collins, and Brooks.

We then have to consider their performance in all forms of international racing - championship and non-chamionship grands prix, champuionship and non-championship sports car races and some formula 2 races. The reason for this is that the racing drivers in the fifties competed seriously in all forms of racing not simply the six or eight world championship grands prix

I would rank them

Moss
then a large gap to the next group comprising Ascari, Brabham and
Brooks,
and then a smaller gap to the next group of Collins, Farina, Gonzalez and
Hawthorn

The latter two groups are listed alphabetically as I can't really separate them.

I have ignored prewar drivers who made appearances in the fifties, principally Chiron, Lang, Taruffi and Fagioli, as none competed regularly and all were past their peak..
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Cmoney · Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:44 Post subject:

1950 in some races Farina could give a good challenge to Fangio. Was it just because of a better machinery? At least I´ve heard that Alfa favored Farina. Also Villoresi seemed sometimes faster than Ascari.

But at their best (compared to Farina), Fangio (1951) and Ascari (1952) both could beat Farina very clearly. And with quite a similar gap. In my view Moss couldn´t be quite in Ascari´s league.

SkidMarks · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:13 Post subject:

Cmoney · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 15:40 Post subject:

The sites say that Farina also had a Ferrari 500 in 1952. And Taruffi too but he was slower than Farina...

SkidMarks · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 15:51 Post subject:

Cmoney · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 16:57 Post subject:

Oh, I just meant that some other drivers too had the similar car as Ascari (and Farina) had Smile

SkidMarks · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 19:10 Post subject:

Hi Cmoney

no problem - just explaining why I tried not to make my post toooooo long.

Especially in "who was best" threads it all comes down to personal choice, doesn't it?
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Cmoney · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 19:53 Post subject:

Right. I just notice Ascari´s and Fangio´s results, which are quite similar in dominance compared to their teammate Farina. Both were far ahead.

D-Type · Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 21:23 Post subject:

When looking at Farina's record you must also consider his performances prewar, immediately postwar and after the advent of Formula 1, not only his performances after the World Drivers' Championship was instituted. He was born in 1906 so he was a 44 year old veteran when he won the inaugural championship.
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