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Old_Brew
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After this past weekend:
Bon Voyage Massa. You are about to take a trip down the highway in the not to distant future.
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eduisfine
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 20:56 Post subject: |
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| Anfield5 wrote: | | eduisfine wrote: | | Anfield5 wrote: | | porscheman wrote: | | Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
I think it's more that everyone has run out of patience with him. Last years car was not good, but Massa could have been expected to perform better than he did. His absolute blaming of the car in Aus was a dangerous thing for him to do and he needs to take some responsibility.
Firstly Ferari have been known to terminate drivers for being totally critical of the machinery, comments about the car being likened to a tractor saw the end of Alain Prost.
Secondly it's a poor tradesman who blames his tools, and the comments (even though probably mainly true) reek of desperation.
It's a shame that Massa's career has come to this, as before his accident, when his confidence was up Massa was a good driver. |
Before his accident, Massa was, at best, a fast mediocre driver.
At the moment he's nothing but an expensive test driver to try out new parts for Alonso's car during race weekends. I say, keep him. Right now Ferrari is in more need of testing than of having a decent second driver. |
I would give him more credit than mediocre when he was at his best - not a great driver, but a good one. His record at Ferrari pre Hungary was reasonably good, and he would have been WDC in 2008 if Timo Glock in the Toy Motor had played fair in Brazil |
I'm afraid a have to disagree. Giving Massa the "Good" driver status is setting the bar very, very low. I just don't think that putting the fastest car on pole and driving it from pole to victory is enough. And as for being WDC for 10sec, well, I'm not impressed. I just don't think this guy has shown much talent, and has certainly not shown any kind of performance in difficult situations.
Sorry, Felipe, I think it's time to head off to indie with rubinho. |
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moonrover
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 22:19 Post subject: |
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we are not very fair to him, are we? he permanently used to gain serious points, poles. let's not forget his move on Hamilton on those days. he was brave and in up hill to his improvements. better than 2 third the current grid.
U agree he could not get compared with top notch legends like schui, alonso, Raikkonen etc. but given a proper car would see him competing with big boys.
whatever...now he is a hind driver. and that's bad. |
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Anfield5
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| Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 00:17 Post subject: |
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| eduisfine wrote: | | Anfield5 wrote: | | eduisfine wrote: | | Anfield5 wrote: | | porscheman wrote: | | Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
I think it's more that everyone has run out of patience with him. Last years car was not good, but Massa could have been expected to perform better than he did. His absolute blaming of the car in Aus was a dangerous thing for him to do and he needs to take some responsibility.
Firstly Ferari have been known to terminate drivers for being totally critical of the machinery, comments about the car being likened to a tractor saw the end of Alain Prost.
Secondly it's a poor tradesman who blames his tools, and the comments (even though probably mainly true) reek of desperation.
It's a shame that Massa's career has come to this, as before his accident, when his confidence was up Massa was a good driver. |
Before his accident, Massa was, at best, a fast mediocre driver.
At the moment he's nothing but an expensive test driver to try out new parts for Alonso's car during race weekends. I say, keep him. Right now Ferrari is in more need of testing than of having a decent second driver. |
I would give him more credit than mediocre when he was at his best - not a great driver, but a good one. His record at Ferrari pre Hungary was reasonably good, and he would have been WDC in 2008 if Timo Glock in the Toy Motor had played fair in Brazil |
I'm afraid a have to disagree. Giving Massa the "Good" driver status is setting the bar very, very low. I just don't think that putting the fastest car on pole and driving it from pole to victory is enough. And as for being WDC for 10sec, well, I'm not impressed. I just don't think this guy has shown much talent, and has certainly not shown any kind of performance in difficult situations.
Sorry, Felipe, I think it's time to head off to indie with rubinho. |
That's cool -different people = different points of view - ah the rich tapestry of life 
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bawjohnson
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| Massa is the only driver not racing for one of the bottom three teams who has yet to score a point, compared to Alonso's 37 and a race win... |
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solarflare
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| bawjohnson wrote: | | Massa is the only driver not racing for one of the bottom three teams who has yet to score a point, compared to Alonso's 37 and a race win... |
Nice spot.
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bewildered_jim
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I am pretty content that Massa is filling in for Perez for the time being and will probably see out 2012.
The really awkward thing is that this year, he can't not score as many points as ALO and still find Ferrari third in the constructors. If they're not worried about finishing fifth, they maybe could be.
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The Rumble Strip
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 15:26 Post subject: |
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The more I see of Perez, the more I am convinced he is future Ferrari driver and indeed LDM comments on him seen rather disrespectful, more of a smokescreen.
There's a saying that if you're good enough then you're old enough and Perez had proved despite his brief career that he is good enough. His tyre management prowess is by far the best on the grid.
To be fair to Massa though, he's upped his game in the last few races. |
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Anfield5
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| Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 21:03 Post subject: |
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| The Rumble Strip wrote: | The more I see of Perez, the more I am convinced he is future Ferrari driver and indeed LDM comments on him seen rather disrespectful, more of a smokescreen.
There's a saying that if you're good enough then you're old enough and Perez had proved despite his brief career that he is good enough. His tyre management prowess is by far the best on the grid.
To be fair to Massa though, he's upped his game in the last few races. |
I agree I thought atb the time LDM's comments re Perez were more to take the pressure off Massa, than to pass judgement on Perez
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White Lightning
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Perez is 'too aggressive' apparently.
a) I bet they wish Massa and Alonso could be that kind of their tyres when they're aggressive.
b) I dread to think what they accept as a good level of 'aggression' - God forbid it's Massa's lackluster form. |
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The Rumble Strip
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I'm beginning to wonder just what the witch hunt at Ferrari is all about.
I can't say that I have noticed much aggressive behavior and any tepid performances may be more down to the car, rather than the driver.
I suspect this is all a smokescreen to keep rival teams at bay. |
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Anfield5
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Is it just me ore is there a feeling that there is already some sort of agreement in place with Ferrari and Perez for next season (unoffical and unsogned etc)?
I started thinking about this a while ago, and LDM comments, down playing the Perez to Ferrari thing have only convinced me more
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porscheman
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 00:57 Post subject: |
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| Anfield5 wrote: | Is it just me ore is there a feeling that there is already some sort of agreement in place with Ferrari and Perez for next season (unoffical and unsogned etc)?
I started thinking about this a while ago, and LDM comments, down playing the Perez to Ferrari thing have only convinced me more |
Perez is a Ferrari development driver, and has been for quite some time now. What lump is in the back of the Sauber? I don't believe in coincidence. |
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Anfield5
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 01:41 Post subject: |
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| porscheman wrote: | | Anfield5 wrote: | Is it just me ore is there a feeling that there is already some sort of agreement in place with Ferrari and Perez for next season (unoffical and unsogned etc)?
I started thinking about this a while ago, and LDM comments, down playing the Perez to Ferrari thing have only convinced me more |
Perez is a Ferrari development driver, and has been for quite some time now. What lump is in the back of the Sauber? I don't believe in coincidence. |
I unstand that but I'm talking about as a race driver. For most of this season every one and his dog has been saying that Sergio will replace Massa next term, but there has been no evidence of a formal or informal deal. I'm just wondering if the deal has been done and LDM's comments are smoke and mirrors
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Michael Clark
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I think it's easy being hard on him - but this is the guy who was briefly world champion in 2008. As I recall, apart from Spa - he had it over his team-mate most of that year..a team-mate who was reigning world champion no less.
I suspect there are neurological remifications from that Hungarian GP weekend. It will be very very interesting to see if he stays in F1 next year. |
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