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eduisfine Single-Seater Rookie

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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 16:17 Post subject: Why "after the race"? |
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Can anybody give me a reasonable explanation as to why the stewarts should judge the ROS-HAM & ROS-ALO incidents after the race?
If any penalties are handed out it is highly probable that they would affect the race result in a different way than if they where applied in real time.
Hell, if ROS where found guilty in the first incident, the second one probably would't have occured.
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Editor Site Admin

Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 4037 Location: England
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 16:47 Post subject: |
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Probably because they all want to get out of Bahrain as soon as posbbible and not hang about making investigations.
There has clearly been trouble this afternoon as one of the pics on the Red Bull media site shows thick smoke and reads - "smoke is seen on the horizon" |
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Kennywinnit Kart Champion

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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 17:36 Post subject: |
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| Surely though, they stayed to the end of the race. The point is, why couldn't they make a decision during the race? Mind you after the ludicrous decision in the first GP1 race re Nasr/Ceccotto, I hope they'll be given some advice[/u] |
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moonrover Grand Prix Winner
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 18:47 Post subject: |
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I guess that's when they can't convince eachother during the race!
and moreover the interpret process of the new law (just one defensive move) showed difficult....
One move is ok, eventhough Hamilton is in the barrier? and he can't set back for the racing line afterwards? (how we get to know that going back there is part of 2nd defense or not) |
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solarflare World Champion
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Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 20:16 Post subject: |
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I guess it's a lack of relevant info - probably got some different camera angles but that might in itself not be enough.
Quite an interesting one, the Hamilton-Rosberg one. I'm quite glad noone got penalised, because it was gutsy breathtaking stuff, but you'd have to say if Rosberg hasn't done anything wrong then should Hamilton not be getting looked at for overtaking outside the confines of the track. Like I say glad neither got penalised but it is kind of difficult to understand what the process there is. _________________ Life is.....the gap between Formula 1 Grands Prix |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2252 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:00 Post subject: |
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I'm all for the racing, actually. I think that the drivers should sort it out themselves, as human beings do in any line of business. What goes around comes around.
As an aside, that's much worse than Lewis' antics last year, and where's Niki Lauda with his 'he will kill someone', now? The stewards got much better at not intervening in 2010, then in 2011 they started to get a bit worse. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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eduisfine Single-Seater Rookie

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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 13:55 Post subject: |
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| No penalty for ROS. Fine, I wont argue the decision. But after reading the six points made by the stewarts my conclusion is that the determining factor was that Lewis and Fernando where never alongside Nico, and therefore no penalty applies. How many replays do they need to determine this? Isn't waiting until after the race going to bias their decision towards not taking any action? |
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pitball F2 Racer

Joined: 22 Aug 2008 Posts: 498 Location: London
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 22:11 Post subject: |
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| eduisfine wrote: | | No penalty for ROS. Fine, I wont argue the decision. But after reading the six points made by the stewarts my conclusion is that the determining factor was that Lewis and Fernando where never alongside Nico, and therefore no penalty applies. How many replays do they need to determine this? Isn't waiting until after the race going to bias their decision towards not taking any action? |
I would have thought they checked the telemetry not watched a replay of the track action and perhaps that's why? mayby the telemetry isn't available till after the race?
no idea TBH  _________________ How the hell do you do these sig thingys ? |
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gourami F1 Driver

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:02 Post subject: |
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| bewildered_jim wrote: | | I'm all for the racing, actually. I think that the drivers should sort it out themselves, as human beings do in any line of business. What goes around comes around. |
I agree, to a point.
My opinion is that the current regime of policing racing is a little over the top.
These boys (for the most part) are doing remarkable things and no driver wants to be punted off, or punt another off, the circuit. They want to race hard but wi fairly. _________________ Watching F1 since 1998... trackside at Silverstone, Shanghai and Melbourne. |
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eduisfine Single-Seater Rookie

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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 15:11 Post subject: |
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| pitball wrote: | | eduisfine wrote: | | No penalty for ROS. Fine, I wont argue the decision. But after reading the six points made by the stewarts my conclusion is that the determining factor was that Lewis and Fernando where never alongside Nico, and therefore no penalty applies. How many replays do they need to determine this? Isn't waiting until after the race going to bias their decision towards not taking any action? |
I would have thought they checked the telemetry not watched a replay of the track action and perhaps that's why? mayby the telemetry isn't available till after the race?
no idea TBH  |
I think I can make a rough guess of what the telemetry reading was: ROS, HAM & ALO all had their foot down all the way. I think the point of controversy was the violent sidesweep ROS made in both cases and where the other driver was at the time of his manoeuver.
Legal o not I just think it's a call you make in the following couple of laps. I just don't want to watch the news after a few hours and find a new race result. |
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solarflare World Champion
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 18:13 Post subject: |
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| eduisfine wrote: | | Legal o not I just think it's a call you make in the following couple of laps. I just don't want to watch the news after a few hours and find a new race result. |
This is a good point.
The FIA and stewards are going to need to find a way of either judging calls pretty much there and then on a combination of whatever limited information is available and pure raw gut feeling, or they find a way to only impose any penalty for the subsequent event.
It's not even just a case of watching the news a few hours after the race and finding a new result, it's a case of actually having to go to the news sites a few hours later just to check the result you saw still actually stands.
The only problem with this idea is of course e.g. if the race is won by some dodgy move which the stewards decide later should actually be penalised but the win has to stand and the penalty applies for the round later, but you don't watch a football match and then find out two hours after the game that the team you thought had won had actually lost. You accept that the ref's decision is final but sometimes he makes a mistake/is a blind cretinous oaf but the result stands. _________________ Life is.....the gap between Formula 1 Grands Prix |
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The Rumble Strip Grand Prix Winner

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Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 15:05 Post subject: |
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It is a tricky one.
On first glance, both incidents to me look like a case of Rosberg blocking but then in retrospect, it seems to be Hamilton that commits the offence by passing outside the confines of the circuit.
That the stewards choose to take no further action I can live with but sometimes one must question the point at which penalties are handed out.
I agree that a scenario like Belgium 2008 happening again would not be good, where the winner of the race changes a number of hours later but conversely to add a post race penalty would not reflect the true place on the racetrack. In other words, potentially they could be much further up the road and a penalty would therefore not have as much effect.
It is my view therefore, that in the interests of fairness we should go one way or the other. Either applies a penalty during the race or after it, not a mixture of both. |
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