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The Rumble Strip
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My take on the Anthony Hamilton story is that either he's trying to find out if his driver, Di Resta, is safe at Force India because Williams have signed Sutil, or he's making a representation for Di Resta, if Force India suddenly do a Mercedes and become a German super team.
No doubt about it, Massa is nothing like the driver he was in 2008 and I'm struggling to see him ever get back to that level.
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MarkD
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 13:39 Post subject: |
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| KKiirmki wrote: | | F One wrote: | | The Rumble Strip wrote: | Slim I would have thought.
Read into it what you will, the fact that Anthony Hamilton was deep in conversation with Adam Parr before the BBC interupted them. |
Ah Hamilton to Williams?   |
Raikkonen and Hamilton at Williams next year, what an amazing team that would (will) be.  |
What a waste of talent that would be (sorry Williams, but....) Put the pair of them into a competitive car then, yes I would certainly like to see that.
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bawjohnson
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| Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 23:54 Post subject: |
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| Massa out by the end of the year, to be replaced by Perez, Bianchi in at Sauber...? |
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Anfield5
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He (Massa) certainly did nothing in Melbourne to make Ferrari (or any other team for than matter) sit up and take notice of him.
Have to say I feel sorry for Massa, he is (was) better than the performances he has shown in the last 12 months 
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qml
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 08:03 Post subject: |
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Sitting in the gradstand during the weekend, the only subject that nearly every Ferrari suppoter spoke about was Massa..
The man is a complete waste of time, history has shown that most drivers who suffer a major injury do not recover on track.. Now I have said, most, because we all know there have been exceptions but in the case of Massa he should have been given the boot before Schumi left..
There are so many talented drivers out there at the moment and not necessarily the top drivers, who would be better suited to fill the number 2 spot..
The other was Domicali, again why haven't Ferrari replaced this man to date. I really think it was a major mistake to keep him on let alone appoint him principal in the first place..
Ferrari Will do well this year but I think they should start with a new no. 2 driver from the next race... Then think about a new boss...
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Podge 90
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Not sure if any of you would have seen it because it was a while ago now, but Stirling Moss and Richard Hammond did an interview where they talked about their big accidents and the effect it had on them. Now I'm not Hammond's biggest fan, but it was very insightful.
There was one thing Moss said that really stood out, to me. He said that when he got into a car after his crash at Goodwood in '62, he was having to think about driving; something he'd never done before because it came so naturally to him. If he's thinking while he is driving, his imagination is engaged, and with that comes a process of thinking 'what if....'.
It seems apparent to me Massa is suffering exactly the same thing. We see Alonso throwing his car around, not so much as over-stepping its limits as completely re-defining them. But Felipe is totally unsure of the level at which he can push the car. He's tentative, edgy and making silly mistakes. And according to Moss, you can never regain that original composure.
It's sad to see, but I really do think his accident had a huge unconscious effect on him. It's why I'm cautious about Kubica returning; he's had big accidents, but his rally one was a genuine life-threatener, much like Moss' and Massa's. |
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qml
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First of all I must say I feel silly for not even spelling Mr Domenicali correctly.
I also think that if Ferrari are waiting on Kubica as a replacement for Massa would be a grave mistake.. He imho is also at the point of no return and shouldn''t be even considered..
Ferrari Must act now !!
Again - get rid of Massa (pay him a s*&! load of money and he will be happy), AND give Domenicali the facts.. get your s*&! together or your out..
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gourami
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A few ideas:
Webber post Red Bull - wha a delightful way to spend 2 years in semi retirement.
Train up a Chinese guy like Ho Pin Tung (Ferrari's sell great guns in China at the moment).
Steal a Sauber driver (common trick).
Massa's performance in Australia was poor and I haven't read any news as to why his *car* was under performing.
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bawjohnson
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It was just so scrappy 
No excuse- I know Ferrari has shown great loyalty to Massa since his accident, but his career has gone the way of Ralf Schumachers, over thinking and underachieving, |
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qml
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| bawjohnson wrote: | It was just so scrappy
No excuse- I know Ferrari has shown great loyalty to Massa since his accident, but his career has gone the way of Ralf Schumachers, over thinking and underachieving, |
Exactly, Unless Massa has something over Ferrari, he must know that his time is up..
Better to bail out gracefully on some trumped up excuse then being sacked.
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| Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
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Anfield5
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| porscheman wrote: | | Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
I think it's more that everyone has run out of patience with him. Last years car was not good, but Massa could have been expected to perform better than he did. His absolute blaming of the car in Aus was a dangerous thing for him to do and he needs to take some responsibility.
Firstly Ferari have been known to terminate drivers for being totally critical of the machinery, comments about the car being likened to a tractor saw the end of Alain Prost.
Secondly it's a poor tradesman who blames his tools, and the comments (even though probably mainly true) reek of desperation.
It's a shame that Massa's career has come to this, as before his accident, when his confidence was up Massa was a good driver.
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| Anfield5 wrote: | | porscheman wrote: | | Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
I think it's more that everyone has run out of patience with him. Last years car was not good, but Massa could have been expected to perform better than he did. His absolute blaming of the car in Aus was a dangerous thing for him to do and he needs to take some responsibility.
Firstly Ferari have been known to terminate drivers for being totally critical of the machinery, comments about the car being likened to a tractor saw the end of Alain Prost.
Secondly it's a poor tradesman who blames his tools, and the comments (even though probably mainly true) reek of desperation.
It's a shame that Massa's career has come to this, as before his accident, when his confidence was up Massa was a good driver. |
Before his accident, Massa was, at best, a fast mediocre driver.
At the moment he's nothing but an expensive test driver to try out new parts for Alonso's car during race weekends. I say, keep him. Right now Ferrari is in more need of testing than of having a decent second driver. |
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eduisfine
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| Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 14:21 Post subject: |
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| Oh, and by the way, another upside of having Felipe fighting for 12th is that we don't have to put up with shots of Papinho Massa smiling/frowning/laughing/crying at us every two laps. |
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Anfield5
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| eduisfine wrote: | | Anfield5 wrote: | | porscheman wrote: | | Wow! Not a 'lotta luv for the little guy 'round here. I'd say the long knives are really out for him and probably at The Scuderia as well. He's been given a new chassis for Sepang ... just to make sure. I'd say it's a make or break weekend for Felipe. |
I think it's more that everyone has run out of patience with him. Last years car was not good, but Massa could have been expected to perform better than he did. His absolute blaming of the car in Aus was a dangerous thing for him to do and he needs to take some responsibility.
Firstly Ferari have been known to terminate drivers for being totally critical of the machinery, comments about the car being likened to a tractor saw the end of Alain Prost.
Secondly it's a poor tradesman who blames his tools, and the comments (even though probably mainly true) reek of desperation.
It's a shame that Massa's career has come to this, as before his accident, when his confidence was up Massa was a good driver. |
Before his accident, Massa was, at best, a fast mediocre driver.
At the moment he's nothing but an expensive test driver to try out new parts for Alonso's car during race weekends. I say, keep him. Right now Ferrari is in more need of testing than of having a decent second driver. |
I would give him more credit than mediocre when he was at his best - not a great driver, but a good one. His record at Ferrari pre Hungary was reasonably good, and he would have been WDC in 2008 if Timo Glock in the Toy Motor had played fair in Brazil
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