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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 16:51 Post subject: Helmut Marko |
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What's he a Doctor in? Always strikes me as 5% dickish to push the Dr. unless it's relevant. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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grum1965 Karter
Joined: 17 Jun 2010 Posts: 44 Location: UK
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 17:31 Post subject: |
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| "...Helmut Marko. A doctor of law from the University of Graz..." |
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kraut F1 Driver

Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 799 Location: Vancouver BC/Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 23:43 Post subject: |
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Austrians and their titles ... nothing you can do.  _________________ another kraut in kanada |
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easy_rider F1 Driver

Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 983
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 23:50 Post subject: |
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| My understanding is that unless you're a doctor of medicine, it's bad form to use the title "doctor" outside of the profession to which it relates. |
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Burton Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 1373 Location: portugal
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 01:02 Post subject: |
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| easy_rider wrote: | | My understanding is that unless you're a doctor of medicine, it's bad form to use the title "doctor" outside of the profession to which it relates. |
Here in Portugal, with the huge divide in education levels, through the habit of older folks traditionally being so deferential to landowners/people with degree's/etc.., it became norm to refer to everyone who has a degree as "doctor". Same to engineers.
"Mr. Doctor <surname>" this, "Mr. Engineer <surname> that", are common occurrences in daily talk, political debate, anything..it's absolutely sickening.
I remember being in queue at Uni on the administrative services, and some girl's mother was lashing out at the clerk for referring to her daughter by her first name, instead of calling her "Doctor", and how she made such a financial effort to put her kid through school only to the clerk to be rude by not bowing and calling the girl a "doctor"
So, it's quite refreshing for me, when reading the anglo-saxon press, to see people in important positions being simply called "Mr Obama" or "Mrs. Merkel", etc. And yeah, to my mind, unless Marko has a PhD he isn't doctor of bugger all, just like no-one calls me Master
Sorry for the stupid rant  _________________ "One minute you're defending the whole galaxy, and, suddenly, you find yourself sucking down Darjeeling with... Marie Antoinette and her little sister." |
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MrFish Single-Seater Rookie
Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 169
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 09:55 Post subject: |
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| easy_rider wrote: | | My understanding is that unless you're a doctor of medicine, it's bad form to use the title "doctor" outside of the profession to which it relates. |
In his book "How Mumbo Jumbo Conquered the World", Francis Wheen puts it thus:
...non-medical "doctors" who insist on drawing attention to their post-graduate qualification - Henry Kissinger in the US, Ian Paisley in Northern Ireland - always bring disaster in their wake: it's tantamount to having "this man is dangerous" tattooed on one's forehead. |
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moonrover Grand Prix Winner
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 1269
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 09:56 Post subject: |
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I agree the terms 'unless you are medical doctor....' etc.
and I might add; Only if you are a good Medical Doctor you let other people call you by that, for you actually can help them in emergencies!!
For racing world Doctorate should grant to people with thesis in
overtaking...
IE, Doctor L. Hamilton , Associate professor in Late braking...etc..
can someone add to that list? |
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Editor Site Admin

Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 4033 Location: England
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:58 Post subject: |
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God forbid that Dr. Mike Lawrence should ever see this thread.
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BigMac Moderator

Joined: 07 Jul 2004 Posts: 3897 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:14 Post subject: |
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| moonrover wrote: | For racing world Doctorate should grant to people with thesis in
overtaking...
IE, Doctor L. Hamilton , Associate professor in Late braking...etc..
can someone add to that list? |
Dr Kimi Raikkonen - Professor in Understatement & Brevity |
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Abb0nz F1 Test Driver

Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 609 Location: Houston, Tx
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 13:08 Post subject: |
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| Editor wrote: | God forbid that Dr. Mike Lawrence should ever see this thread.
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Ha! I was thinking this exact thing  _________________ A Kiwi living in the USA |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 13:12 Post subject: |
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Mr. Hamilton, thanks - it's surgery!
I think it's a personal call - you've earned the right that you know your stuff, medical or not. What I specifically dislike is the unqualified implication of deference even if someones expertise isn't relevant.
What prompted it was a thing I read that in McLaren so many techies have PhDs that Dr's a common denominator noone bothers with. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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solarflare World Champion
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 18:24 Post subject: |
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If you earned it, use it how you feel. That's what I think, although I am biased, because I earned it. _________________ Life is.....the gap between Formula 1 Grands Prix |
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kraut F1 Driver

Joined: 17 Feb 2008 Posts: 799 Location: Vancouver BC/Canada
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 00:28 Post subject: |
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IMHO it is not a matter of sense or not, we just have other customs and
traditions when it comes to these things. Austria is a Republic for almost
100 years now and any kind of title that would indicate nobility is illegal
for Austrian citizens, yet everybody there would address you as Sir XYZ
no matter if your knighthood makes sense in their world or profession. _________________ another kraut in kanada |
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IMSA Racer Grand Prix Winner
Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 18:54 Post subject: |
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I have a PhD in Corporate Finance - earned it in 1992. But over here, "Dr." before your name is mainly reserved for academic circles. Seeing as I work in the private sector, no one addresses me that way, thank goodness !!!!! Nor would I expect them to.
To me it was a challenge to be taken on and once completed, simply move on with a bit more knowledge in your toolbox, that's all - no big deal.
But I guess customs are different in other parts of the globe and that's fine as I've always been of the belief that actions speak louder than words anyway - no matter what level of education one has. _________________ Ex IMSA Racer |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2012 14:30 Post subject: |
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| IMSA Racer wrote: |
But I guess customs are different in other parts of the globe and that's fine as I've always been of the belief that actions speak louder than words anyway - no matter what level of education one has. |
The man speaks sense. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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