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stoney Single-Seater Rookie
Joined: 31 May 2005 Posts: 111 Location: Nijmegen, Netherlands
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The YC F3 Racer
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:46 Post subject: |
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| likewise. well said..... |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 16:34 Post subject: |
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Quite. I feel for him.
To outline: Lewis Hamilton has a comfortable life. Whenever I say I feel for him, my friends are quick to counter that tears dry quicker on a mountain-top Swiss estate.
I have a problem with this for certain reasons:
i) There's nothing (save stupid earrings) to suggest anything other than doing a great job drives Lewis Hamilton.
ii) If you get into motorsport to make money, your odds are awful.
This leads me to my point thus:
Suggesting picking on Lewis in any way "doesn't count" as unfair criticism because of his position is wrong. Hamilton is not about to become homeless or fail to support his livelihood - but neither am I or most journalists and annoying Irish pundits.
Lewis Hamilton drives racing cars, and I research stuff. We're ages. If we do a bad job, we get annoyed and (I) certainly don't want to talk to anyone. I also get concerned about personal things. In my case, there's noone on an international stage asking me to detail and relive my mistakes or explain the minutiae of my recent character failings. If there was, I wouldn't accept that it was fair game because I'm not penny-less.
My point in brief: support Lewis Hamilton because he's a damn good racing driver. Sod the coverage because noone that is famous because of something naturally brilliant is therefore 'fair game'. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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dryjoint Single-Seater Rookie

Joined: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 145 Location: Glasgow
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 19:29 Post subject: |
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Double edge sword, if he makes himself less available to the media and thinks about what he is saying a little bit more then they don't have such an easy target.
Having an entertainment manger in charge of his business affairs can't be the best idea there surely? |
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Podge 90 F2 Racer

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 19:56 Post subject: |
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Yep, agreed.
The reason I love Hamilton is that he's flawed. Hamilton really does look a rough diamond when compared to the resolutely flawless Vettel, but to me, that works in his favour. He sometimes has me screaming out loud 'WHY DID HE DO THAT', but then there's the other side to him, the side which the general media and tabloids are lightning-fast to forget and ignore.
This current crisis for Lewis (all things relative I genuinely think it can be termed that) is giving the impression that his character really is damaged, and, as the article highlights, we've gone far beyond the 'wounded lion' stage - it's too late for a fightback - and the only option for him is to seemingly climb to a mountain-top during the off-season and just sit and think for a few days.
At the moment, he looks like he needs every single one of his fans' support, but as he needs that more and more, so the cruel and unforgiving eye of media focuses it's glare.
I would love him to come back next year wiser, because once he gets his race-craft completely polished ('marathon, not a sprint' and all that) and in a race-winning car, he'll be formidable again. He didn't get his reputation of being the best racer on the grid for no reason, but perhaps he could learn from Jenson's experience; when to push, when to save your rubber. If he does return and does drive like a monster again, achieving glory and just generally getting a smile back on his face, he'll look back on this year as the learning point, I'm sure. |
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porscheman F2 Racer

Joined: 25 Feb 2011 Posts: 304 Location: Oakville, Ontario Canada
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 22:53 Post subject: |
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| Formula 1 is a 3 ring circus and Lewis is in the centre ring. Goes with the territory. Having said that the F1 press, and most notably, the British press are notoriously brutal. |
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bawjohnson F3 Racer

Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 247
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2011 23:39 Post subject: |
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I've got to say I am a huge F1 fan as most people reading this are too no doubt. Our current World Champion is enjoying one of the most dominant seasons of recent times, yet I don't know where he lives, what his girlfriend is called or what family he has without looking it up..
Conversely, I can sit here and tell you everything you would ever want to know about Hamilton, his Dad, his brother - his now ex girlfriend, his admiration for Senna, the last thing he said on twitter etc etc.
It seems that if you court attention and open up your life to the media, then you have absolutely no riposte when they retain an interest in your life when things aren't so rosy..
I've got to say I'm more in the 'diddums' camp - the article says to stop treating him like a celebrity or a racing driver and like a human being, but the problem is that he is a racing driver, and a celebrity - he is in the public eye and he has to deal with it..
I just think his head has been broken by Button, and he's a bit beat up because Daddy Ron isn't around much any more and this new Step Dad Martin is mean and keeps telling the press how good his team-mate is.
This is the first bit of character building he has had to do in his short career, and people are acting as if he's about to quit F1 or something..
Remember Schumacher winning at Imola hours after his Mother had died? Webber racing most of early 2010 with a recently broken leg? Button climbing into the MyEarthDreams fiasco and knowing no matter how well he drove, he'd be no higher that 12th?
Suck it up son, get on with it |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2243 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 02:27 Post subject: |
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| bawjohnson wrote: |
This is the first bit of character building he has had to do in his short career, and people are acting as if he's about to quit F1 or something..
Remember Schumacher winning at Imola hours after his Mother had died? Webber racing most of early 2010 with a recently broken leg? Button climbing into the MyEarthDreams fiasco and knowing no matter how well he drove, he'd be no higher that 12th?
Suck it up son, get on with it |
I must say whenever I feel life getting me down I usually reach this conclusion before too long.
I have no real counter-argument here. Well put. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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xynaria World Champion
Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 3337 Location: L o n d o n
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 02:53 Post subject: |
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He has brought a lot of it on himself if only for the early season rants inferring if the car isn't good enough I'm off ....................without actually thinking through where on earth he could possibly go................ _________________ it'll all end in tears..........cool!  |
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MatCoch Single-Seater Rookie
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 04:35 Post subject: |
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| bawjohnson wrote: | | I've got to say I am a huge F1 fan as most people reading this are too no doubt. Our current World Champion is enjoying one of the most dominant seasons of recent times, yet I don't know where he lives, what his girlfriend is called or what family he has without looking it up.. |
Most don't, it's something Seb works hard to maintain, and rightly so. We're interested in his prowess in a car. His private life is just that, and should remain so - and that goes for anyone in the sport. |
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Gary F1 Driver

Joined: 15 Oct 2007 Posts: 928 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 13:20 Post subject: |
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I think it is to a great extent inevitable that Lewis is attracting the controversy, notoriety even, that he does, given the manner in which be burst into F1 and his immediate competitiveness with an acknowledged master, Alonso. I still remember clearly being trackside during P1 in the 2007 Australian Grand Prix and deeply impressed by this new boy being immediately on the pace. We all were, sitting there on Turn 9. Then he led Alonso for a good part of the race on Sunday. So impressive.
Since that day, there have been enormous expectations on him and now and then - wet Silverstone 2008 is a good example - he has produced master classes as sublime as any I've seen in four decades of this nutty obsession and those days only serve to ramp up the fans' and media's expectation.
His African origins on his paternal side, let's not sidestep it, represent additional pressure insofar as it marks him out as 'different' amongst British drivers.
So I do feel for him and I totally endorse the sentiments in the Pitpass article. Much of the media is indeed nauseating.
But here's a view that might be controversial. I do mean it, however, with respect and affection. It seems to me Lewis lacks the cerebral horsepower of, say, Vettel, Alonso and Button to deal with the maelstrom around him. Look, I'm not saying he's dumb, far from it, and of course, you need to be smart to drive a modern F1 car. Perhaps he's had a life sheltered from the slings and arrows most of us have to endure, perhaps he is relatively slow to mature emotionally, perhaps he is simply receiving excessive, conflicting and poor advice.
Whatever... I see Lewis struggling to rise above the chaos of the forest and take in the wider lie of the land. I do so hope he gets the whole thing to 'click' in his head. He seems like a nice lad. On top of that I really want him to get all his ducks lined up for 2012 because he is such an exciting and vividly fast driver. I still hold the faith that, potentially, we may one day speak of him in the same breath as Fangio, Moss, Clark and Prost. |
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Abb0nz F1 Test Driver

Joined: 01 Oct 2009 Posts: 609 Location: Houston, Tx
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 19:09 Post subject: |
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| Gary wrote: | I think it is to a great extent inevitable that Lewis is attracting the controversy, notoriety even, that he does, given the manner in which be burst into F1 and his immediate competitiveness with an acknowledged master, Alonso. I still remember clearly being trackside during P1 in the 2007 Australian Grand Prix and deeply impressed by this new boy being immediately on the pace. We all were, sitting there on Turn 9. Then he led Alonso for a good part of the race on Sunday. So impressive.
Since that day, there have been enormous expectations on him and now and then - wet Silverstone 2008 is a good example - he has produced master classes as sublime as any I've seen in four decades of this nutty obsession and those days only serve to ramp up the fans' and media's expectation.
His African origins on his paternal side, let's not sidestep it, represent additional pressure insofar as it marks him out as 'different' amongst British drivers.
So I do feel for him and I totally endorse the sentiments in the Pitpass article. Much of the media is indeed nauseating.
But here's a view that might be controversial. I do mean it, however, with respect and affection. It seems to me Lewis lacks the cerebral horsepower of, say, Vettel, Alonso and Button to deal with the maelstrom around him. Look, I'm not saying he's dumb, far from it, and of course, you need to be smart to drive a modern F1 car. Perhaps he's had a life sheltered from the slings and arrows most of us have to endure, perhaps he is relatively slow to mature emotionally, perhaps he is simply receiving excessive, conflicting and poor advice.
Whatever... I see Lewis struggling to rise above the chaos of the forest and take in the wider lie of the land. I do so hope he gets the whole thing to 'click' in his head. He seems like a nice lad. On top of that I really want him to get all his ducks lined up for 2012 because he is such an exciting and vividly fast driver. I still hold the faith that, potentially, we may one day speak of him in the same breath as Fangio, Moss, Clark and Prost. |
As a Kiwi I really hate saying this... but I agree with the Australian  _________________ A Kiwi living in the USA
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bawjohnson F3 Racer

Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 247
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 19:38 Post subject: |
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Hang about,
| eduisfine wrote: | | It just shows what happens when very small brains are allowed to drive very fast cars. |
= "Personally, I think that is one of the most pathetic responses I've ever seen on this Forum"
but
| Gary wrote: | | It seems to me Lewis lacks the cerebral horsepower of, say, Vettel, Alonso and Button to deal with the maelstrom around him. |
= "I agree"
No offence or trolling meant, just curious |
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IMSA Racer Grand Prix Winner
Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 1416 Location: Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 21:52 Post subject: |
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I've always been of the belief that if you want to "play in" any public arena (politics included), that you had better be prepared for what may be shot your way. It's simply one of the "bads" that can go along with all of the "goods".
We have a saying around here that pretty much sums up what I'm trying to communicate here:
"If you want to play with the big dogs, you had better be prepared to get off the porch."
Just my thoughts . . . _________________ Ex IMSA Racer |
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KKiirmki Grand Prix Winner
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 07:03 Post subject: |
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| IMSA Racer wrote: | I've always been of the belief that if you want to "play in" any public arena (politics included), that you had better be prepared for what may be shot your way. It's simply one of the "bads" that can go along with all of the "goods".
We have a saying around here that pretty much sums up what I'm trying to communicate here:
"If you want to play with the big dogs, you had better be prepared to get off the porch."
Just my thoughts . . . |
Perfectly summed up. Like many 'celebrities' they crave the spotlight, only when it suits them. |
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