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White Lightning Site Admin

Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 6002 Location: London, UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 17:08 Post subject: Is Williams Dead? |
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Today's story here
Parr says that Williams' performance so far is 'unacceptable' and he's spot on. For fans of Williams such as myself and probably the majority of true racing fans across the world, their demise has been slow, painful and inexorable. They're behind the HRTs for goodness sake and they're battling with the Virgins every weekend.
Personally, I think Parr is part of the problem. He's not a racer and is in no way a fitting heir to Sir Frank and Patrick, who are, much as it saddens me to say, past it. I'm glad they didn't sell up to BMW - look where that would have led them - but I think the time has come.
The team badly needs investment. The share scheme has been successful only for their retirement funds and the price continues to fall with every poor weekend and it must be galling for a man of Sir Frank's pride to have to beg a socialist dictator for petty cash.
I don't see them continuing much longer in their current guise. Whether this means the team folding, being bought out by yet another Asian business mogul or continuing as Williams under new ownership/management, I couldn't say, but even in 2011, this is not the team of Jones, Rosberg, Mansell, Villeneuve and Montoya. It's not even the team of Ralf Schumacher.
So my question is this: is Williams dead? |
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F One F1 Driver

Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 978 Location: UK
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 17:15 Post subject: |
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It's sad indeed to see such a great team in such dire straits.
Maybe giving Sam Michael the boot might indeed be a step in the right direction? After all I believe that they've been in a steady decline since he took charge and have won only 1 race in that time (2004).
Also his crowing over how awesome their tiny gearbox is has made him look extra silly as that built up expectations of success. _________________ Si hoc adfixum in obicle legere potes, et liberaliter educatus et nimis propinquus ades. |
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Editor Site Admin

Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: England
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 17:36 Post subject: |
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A lot of the team's problems coincide with Parr’s arrival – he legend in his own imagination, a number of good people have left the team because they cannot work with him.
The floatation was outrageous, all it did was raise money for Head’s pension pot. Then again, he and Patrick are good friends of (perma tan) Pete(er) Hain so draw you own conclusions.
Frank wants to have his cake and eat it. |
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xynaria World Champion
Joined: 03 Mar 2004 Posts: 3337 Location: L o n d o n
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 19:09 Post subject: |
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Maybe I'm being incredibly naive here, but is announcing public broadsides against your own team (waves to Luca) generally seen as good management strategy? _________________ it'll all end in tears..........cool!  |
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solarflare World Champion
Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 3294
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 20:01 Post subject: |
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The worst thing about it is personally I thought the sport was coming back towards them.
They had survived the hedonistic excesses of the manufacturer era of the 2000's, even though they were getting down to last-privateer-standing territory. They kept alive and aflot and saw that period through.
Now a lot of those manufacturers have either disappeared (BMW, Honda, Toyota) or seriously scaled back their investment and financial involvement (Renault), and we also have resource restriction arrangements, and still the team seems to languish near the back.
You look at some of the teams they are behind - I mean Sauber have done a good job post-BMW but Williams should easily be able to clear Sauber, Force India and Toro Rosso, let alone struggle to beat a Team Lotus over a race distance. OK I think expecting Williams to beat Red Bull, Mclaren and Ferrari is difficult given their last few years, but reasonably I think they should be able to compete with Renault and potentially Mercedes - but they've not shown much inkling of doing that this season.
Someone else put it better than me when they said the now-standard "Williams: we've gone aggressive this season" rhetoric is the new "DC: this is my year" annual hyperbole disappointment.
They're not dead: they're just sh$t. And the livery doesn't even look as nice as last season.
I hope it comes together for them - the name alone means a lot to F1. I do like Williams. But they're certainly trying everyone's patience whilst the lean period goes on. _________________ Life is.....the gap between Formula 1 Grands Prix |
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bawjohnson F3 Racer

Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 247
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Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 21:44 Post subject: |
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| They seem to have slowly unravelled over the last 5 years or so, in purely sporting terms they aren't even on nodding terms with 'pace' at the moment, and the latest debrief shows that they are throwing absolutely everything at just breaking into the top ten, sad stuff |
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bewildered_jim Grand Prix Winner

Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 2252 Location: Edinburgh
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:30 Post subject: |
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| solarflare wrote: |
Someone else put it better than me when they said the now-standard "Williams: we've gone aggressive this season" rhetoric is the new "DC: this is my year" annual hyperbole disappointment.
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Every single year since 2006 there's been an autosport article on "Williams - this years Dark Horse?". Count 'em. _________________ "With its F1 coverage from 2012 set to play second fiddle, the BBC promises to get fans close to the true experience - of being Mark Webber" #HIGNFY @don_lyall |
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Editor Site Admin

Joined: 19 Feb 2004 Posts: 4036 Location: England
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 09:53 Post subject: |
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| bewildered_jim wrote: | | solarflare wrote: |
Someone else put it better than me when they said the now-standard "Williams: we've gone aggressive this season" rhetoric is the new "DC: this is my year" annual hyperbole disappointment.
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Every single year since 2006 there's been an autosport article on "Williams - this years Dark Horse?". Count 'em. |
Well this year the horse is called Hercules and it's heading for the knackers yard. |
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White Turf F3 Racer
Joined: 02 Jun 2005 Posts: 289 Location: Galway Ireland
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:02 Post subject: |
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| Yes sad to see a team with such a rich history decline in this fashion. Even Mike Gascoyne, when asked who Lotus were targeting commented that sadly it was Williams. (BBC forum) Asked to clarify he said that it was sad to see a once great team in such a poor state. |
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eduisfine Single-Seater Rookie

Joined: 09 Sep 2007 Posts: 131 Location: Santa Cruz de la Sierra - Bolivia
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 16:26 Post subject: |
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Williams G.P.Hld.Ls-05 Dz (WGF1)
€ 17.19
52 Week High: € 24.38
52 Week Low: € 17.19
Currency: Euro
Volume: 8,169
No need to read Autosport anymore to keep track of Williams, just check the FT to see how their race went! |
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bawjohnson F3 Racer

Joined: 27 Mar 2011 Posts: 247
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 16:53 Post subject: |
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| Editor wrote: |
Well this year the horse is called Hercules and it's heading for the knackers yard. |
I think there'll be a glue factory van pulling up at Grove |
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Senna_MP4/4 Karter

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 13:14 Post subject: |
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Weeell if they're battling Hispania for position...
then the answer must surely be yes...  |
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GJ F2 Racer
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 478 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 16:25 Post subject: |
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The way they have been going the last years, the answer would have to be: do bears sh*t in the woods, is the Pope roman-catholic?  |
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bowman World Champion

Joined: 22 Mar 2004 Posts: 2693 Location: Madrid (Spain)
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 16:39 Post subject: |
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| GJ wrote: | The way they have been going the last years, the answer would have to be: do bears sh*t in the woods, is the Pope roman-catholic?  |
Willy... what?
Wasn't it something Monty Python talk about on one of their songs...?
(So three cheers for your Willy or John Thomas...)
Ah, you mean Williams... the deodorant brand?
Or do you mean Williams, Robbie, the british singer?
('Cos I got too much speed / Running through my veins / Going to waste...) _________________ [slowly trying to return] |
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GJ F2 Racer
Joined: 12 Jun 2006 Posts: 478 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:51 Post subject: |
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| bowman wrote: | | GJ wrote: | The way they have been going the last years, the answer would have to be: do bears sh*t in the woods, is the Pope roman-catholic?  |
Willy... what?
Wasn't it something Monty Python talk about on one of their songs...?
(So three cheers for your Willy or John Thomas...)
Ah, you mean Williams... the deodorant brand?
Or do you mean Williams, Robbie, the british singer?
('Cos I got too much speed / Running through my veins / Going to waste...) |
In my book you just earned yourself 10 brownie points for getting Monthy Python into your reply.  |
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